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Old 02-05-2009
 
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If talent is not the determining factor in effectiveness, what is?
 
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I want a CEO who's sole interest is getting the company into a position where they don't need this bailout anymore where they are financially stable, making safe decisions with the money the taxpayers give them and not blowing a large chunk of it on a CEO's salary.

Think about it this way, if a company gets 50 million in the bailout and they pay the CEO 500,000 dollars thats 1% of the total TAXPAYER MONEY that the company receives. If a typical CEO can make multimillion dollars in a major corporation does it not make perfect sense that they should take a cut in a time of crisis? Everyone is taking pay cuts or facing major layoffs. It's pretty two-faced for a CEO to announce layoffs in a firm and then toss himself a salary increase.

What we need right now are not people who are in it for the money but in this to help ease the country (and the world) out of this slump. If they are in it for the money they have the wrong motivation from the get-go. And let's be fair 500,000 and a ton of stock options when they have hit rock bottom is great incentive to improve the company and drive those share prices up. Because let's face it... they only have one way to go or the company goes under.
You're only talking about the companies who recieved taxpayer money, right? .Because otherwise you are a fascist.
 
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talent is a determining factor in effectiveness, effectiveness is not a determining factor in talent
 
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If talent is not the determining factor in effectiveness, what is?
Efficiency and skill. Skill is arguably a different, albeit related, thing than talent.
 
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talent is a determining factor in effectiveness
Ok then, if you cannot assert another factor that is of greater importance than talent in effectiveness, then you are forced to conclude talent translates into effectiveness, then into value, and then into (higher) wages.

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You aren't making sense. Of course effectiveness is not the determining factor in talent. This was never asserted.
 
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lol this is the most unsophisticated argument i've ever read. if you even want to continue this you are all going to have to define these words you are using ("talent", "effectiveness", "skill", etc)
 

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yeah it translates into effectiveness, but it isn't effectiveness, i already said that i thought value didn't have the most talent, so it wouldn't translate
 
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A higher wage offered means the market believes you have a certain ability to add profit.

Restricting higher wage earners means you will only attract those who add a related level of profit.
 
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I kept expecting him to assert that wages come from evil capitalist pig plot to exploit workers, but it never got there. It got sucked into a dictionary battle.
 
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if the market is always correct, of course
 
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How can a wage be determined other than by a market? Is there some inherent value in a wage we do not know about? An objective value, perhaps?
 
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talented people will sometimes work for free
 
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Let's assume that is correct. Regardless of Obama's cap, these people would offer themselves under any system. However, those who do not work for free, and garner large profit returns on the market, will they be motivated by Obama's plan?
 
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MP = Delta Y/Delta X

Ergo, Kaizen is correct.
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_product
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margina...heory_of_wages

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