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Old 02-02-2009
 
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He's had two weeks geez!

The world hasn't ended and the heavens haven't opened and manna hasn't rained down from them.

Ask how he's done in six months and the answer will actually mean something.
 
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Totally agree, but on the same note look at the response from DS. What do you think the response from Nuts would be? Or for that matter from yourself Chaos. What I was wondering if what Obama has done in the first two weeks has in any way changed your opinion of him?
 
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If we launch ground operations in Pakistan, Obama will be my hero.
 
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If we launch ground operations in Pakistan most of our asses are getting drafted and Obama's presidency would be over.
 
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The country's a shithole right now.

Hopefully if we get involved in Pakistan, it won't include building or rebuilding another "democracy" there like we did in Afghanistan or Iraq. Otherwise it'll be another trillion dollars in the drain.
Which country is a "shithole?" America or Pakistan. With the way America's economy has been going, then it is going to become a shithole. We literally can't afford a war in Pakistan right now.

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Obama had his share of attack ads as well, the news just chose to portray him in a specific way.
It isn't a matter of having them or not, it is a a matter of percentages. Maybe 50-60% of Obama's ads were attacking (most of those put out by MoveOn.org, which as any psc 101 student can tell you, does not represent the democrat party) where as 80-95% of McCain's were attacking Obama (again not all the ads were put out by McCain, but on his behalf.).


2 weeks in, nothing outrageously terrible or incredible has happened. We have not yet seen the consequences of his first couple things like the stimulus package seperating the house (stooping seems to be the current way major liberals are handling this and using misleading information is how the major conservatives are handling it)
 

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Which country is a "shithole?" America or Pakistan. With the way America's economy has been going, then it is going to become a shithole. We literally can't afford a war in Pakistan right now.
I was referring to Pakistan. We're only in a depression, they're on the verge of civil war. If we avoid trying to build a democracy or rebuilding any of Pakistan's infrastructure, I don't think a few special operations will cost us that much. We've had enormous success with UAVs but I would personally like to see more troops deployed there.
 
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Which country is a "shithole?" America or Pakistan. With the way America's economy has been going, then it is going to become a shithole. We literally can't afford a war in Pakistan right now.
Is that supposed to be serious?

You really have no idea of just how wealthy the United States is do you?
 
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Is that supposed to be serious?

You really have no idea of just how wealthy the United States is do you?
They are still very wealthy, yes. But as America's prosperity is starting to dwindle, and the fact that they are not as much of an economical power house as they have been in the past is starting to become very evident. Also, it was partly a joke just because of the fact that it will take ALOT to become as bad as most other countries.

Going from being a Powerhouse to Average seems like a huge drop, especially with the way the Media Portrays it.

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I was referring to Pakistan. We're only in a depression, they're on the verge of civil war. If we avoid trying to build a democracy or rebuilding any of Pakistan's infrastructure, I don't think a few special operations will cost us that much. We've had enormous success with UAVs but I would personally like to see more troops deployed there.
Going in to fix a civil war has not done America good in the past. We could very well deploy units over there and help in the war, but right now it would be better for America, not just economically speaking, to not go into a war that they can't afford.
 

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They are still very wealthy, yes. But as America's prosperity is starting to dwindle, and the fact that they are not as much of an economical power house as they have been in the past is starting to become very evident. Also, it was partly a joke just because of the fact that it will take ALOT to become as bad as most other countries.
I'm sorry but the rest of the world is waiting for America to turn around because they know we'll do it first and that they won't do it until we do.

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The media is lying. That is their job. That is all they do. That is why their ratings keep falling and the internet keeps gaining in popularity as the primary source for news. Americans are tired of the media talking down to them and lying to them.

We were a powerhouse, we are a powerhouse, we will continue to be a powerhouse. We have 300+ million people, a smorgasbord of natural resources, a positive population growth rate, and the strongest economic foundation to build off of or bounce back from in the world. I don't really understand how people always seem to forget that America has the 3rd most people and 4th most territory of any country in the world (or maybe it's the other way around, I forget), and that we have perhaps the deepest and most diversified reserves of natural resources of any nation, and millions upon millions of acres of some of the finest soil on the planet.
 
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We were a powerhouse, we are a powerhouse, we will continue to be a powerhouse. We have 300+ million people, a smorgasbord of natural resources, a positive population growth rate, and the strongest economic foundation to build off of or bounce back from in the world. I don't really understand how people always seem to forget that America has the 3rd most people and 4th most territory of any country in the world (or maybe it's the other way around, I forget), and that we have perhaps the deepest and most diversified reserves of natural resources of any nation, and millions upon millions of acres of some of the finest soil on the planet.
Yeah, 3rd in pop/4th in terr, but America is one of the few nations that feels overly compelled to preserve all of its land. America may have a ton of resources at their disposal, but there are more loopholes that Americans have to dive through in order to get to the resources. They're going to have to change in order to allow more access to the resources.
 
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Exactly which promises are you referring to? He seriously hasn't really done jack shit, yet. He signed the order to close down Gitmo within a year, he's trying to get the stimulus plan to pass, which were both campaign promises, and that's pretty much it.
Bro-bama's broken campaign promises:

To not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days. (signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act)
To repeal the Bush tax cuts (no longer on his agenda)
To create a windfall profits tax on oil and gas companies (no longer on his agenda)
To pull US troops out of Iraq within 16 months
To not hire lobbyists (hired Tom Daschle)
To provide a $3000 tax credit for every worked hired (not in the stimulus bill)
 

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Last we've heard down here, a couple of his staff have been done for tax evasion, not a good look for being in the job less than a month.
 
 

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Bro-bama's broken campaign promises:

To not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days. (signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act)
To repeal the Bush tax cuts (no longer on his agenda)
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To pull US troops out of Iraq within 16 months
To not hire lobbyists (hired Tom Daschle)
To provide a $3000 tax credit for every worked hired (not in the stimulus bill)
Did he promise to deliver within his first 3 weeks? I don't remember that being a campaign promise.
 
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Did he promise to deliver within his first 3 weeks? I don't remember that being a campaign promise.
So you are expecting Obama to change his mind again? He's already changed his mind once on these issues. I don't think "changing my mind, all the time" was the type of "change" Obama was campaigning on.

This is of course excepting Tom Daschle and the Ledbetter Act, which are clear, irreversible broken promises. It's OK though, not all Presidents have to be honest. Bill Clinton said he would lower taxes and he raised them instead. Hell, he even lied under oath. But apparently he had good enough judgment to pick his advisors that Obama decided it'd be a good idea to pick them all again for his administration.
 

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Well I know for a fact that the troop movements are set because we were going to Iraq but now were going to Afghanistan.
 
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