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Old 01-06-2009
 
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Hawaiian, can you please take your jaded views and disagreeable tone somewhere else and let the rest of us discuss the topic in hand?
 
 

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DE needs to cut the bullshit again Taiwan is not internationally recognized as an independent country, South Ossetia is internationally recognized as Georgian territory. Under international law the Russian soldiers there are an illegal occupying army.
Well being that according to international law Taiwan is not a country I don't give much credit to that presumption.

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Of course DE is from the Pat Buchanan school of thought, where Eastern Europe and the Caucasus are Russia's to do with as she pleases, regardless of what the people, you know, actually living there want.
The people of South Ossetia don't want to be invaded by Georgia, thats for damn sure!

But oh, right, I guess their concerns aren't legitimate, right? It's ok for Georgia to invade South Ossettia but it's not ok for Russia to retaliate? In that case you should not object to a Chinese invasion of Taiwan and specifically any kind of US retaliation.

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It's a double standard, all right. When the United States enters into settlements with other nations freely agreed upon by both sides, it's time to blow your stack at how wrong it is. When a nation like Russia brutalizes places like Chechnya and Georgia, it's okay because that's "Russia's backyard."
Georgia started the war, kinda like how Israel is "brutalizing" the Palestinian territories. Are you saying Russia does not have a right to defend Russian citizens from genocide?

My problem is that I don't think it's worth risking nuclear war with Russia over a country like Georgia. But as of yet nobody here has once mentioned what could be gained from a nuclear war with Russia, not one positive aspect.

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DE is an apologist for any anti-American government, group, or cause. That almost all of them engage in the things he condemns America for allegedly engaging in (which, almost all the time, are lies or stupidity in "argument" form) is irrelevant. DE does not adhere to any principle save anti-Americanism. If Russia invaded the Ukraine or China invaded Taiwan tomorrow DE would find several highly stupid reasons why they were right, but America saved a country (Saudi Arabia) from being invaded by a lunatic asshole (Saddam Hussein) twenty years ago and this made another lunatic asshole (Osama bin Laden) angry because he's a racist lunatic asshole and to DE it's America's fault when the racist lunatic asshole starts massacring thousands of innocent people in dozens of countries around the globe.
ROTFL, yeah we "saved" our "great ally" Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is the number one sponsor of terrorism in the world, FYI. What were the nationalities of the 9/11 hijackers again? Oh right, that bastion of freedom and democracy known as Saudi Arabia. Poor Saudis, all they want to do is spread their Wahhabist version of extremist, fundamentalist Islam around the world.

Saudi Arabia is a greater threat to freedom than Saddam could ever hope to be. At least Saddam forged a secular regime within a sea of Islamic fundamentalism.

Anyways, you are the one who has to defend a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, not me. You are the one saying that because the international community does not recognize Taiwan as an independent nation that means it's just Chinese territory and therefore China has every right to invade it's own territory right? I mean forget the fact that the Taiwanese people have had de facto independence for 50 years now, and don't consider themselves to be part of mainland China, right? Thats irrelevent, whats important is the word games they play in international diplomacy, right?

Or are you holding a double standard for Taiwan that you don't allow for South Ossettia for some reason? Which is it?
 
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I think america will have a downfall but not so soon and not as mean i dont care what he says no american wants to be mexican, russian, chinese/asian, we dont want to be european, and we sure as hell dont want to be CANADIAN which is why we stand together now that i think of it wtf is this guy thinking and how high did he have to be to come out and say something stupid like this!!!
 
 

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United States split up?

The central government has more power than it has ever had before and the identity of the states as separate in any way is all but non existent.

The only way there would be division is if there were a series of invasions.
 

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How does WW3 work in our favor?
I'm willing to risk WW3 rather than see Georgia get bullied by the Russians or us backing down on the international scene.
 
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WW3 will be fought with nukes. WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones.
 
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Bullshit. If the United States were to break up, I could only see a small part go under the influence of other nations. California has 40 million people (15% of the United States) making it the most populace state along with being the third largest. It is the same size and population as most European countries. It could easily be autonomous. Besides, many states around it would probably join California to form a new country. I don't see states like Nevada faring well on their own.
 
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Bullshit. If the United States were to break up, I could only see a small part go under the influence of other nations. California has 40 million people (15% of the United States) making it the most populace state along with being the third largest. It is the same size and population as most European countries. It could easily be autonomous. Besides, many states around it would probably join California to form a new country. I don't see states like Nevada faring well on their own.
You're missing the point. The USA would fall because its in debt. To be saved from this debt, the country would be split and assimilated into the other countries around it who could cope with this debt, and provide aid to the inhabitants of each section. The USA can't fall and then rebuild its economic status from nothing. There is no "Brand USA." Any companies in each section would be purely autonomous, as they are now. While a large enough company, like Wal-Mart, could potentially create a "business-owned small country", all aid to the civilians would be in the areas government currently provides: welfare, health care, protection, etc. Help like that would come from each respective adoptive country as it is assimilated through economic means.
 

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The US will not fall without the rest of the world going under also. At least not within the next 50 decades.
 
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No one understands America we are not Europe. Canadians don't want to admit it but they're the same as us when it comes to insane ambition they're just really cold up there so it doesn't show as much.

Anyone who has studied the Civil War knows how hard Americans will go and the people today really aren't that much different save that most of them don't have to actually directly participate in their nation's ventures they just have to fuel a good economy. Americans are good at doing that. This isn't bragging this is how Americans have been since the seventeenth century. The North American place in the sun is still rising. Of course it could go either way, but Americans have been there before and much worse than now and blew past those times. As long as Americans don't give up on America there isn't going to be any decline, at least in the nation's potential strength. Bad government may weaken government power abroad while superficially increasing it at home (superficially because of the increasing estrangement of the people from government) but with good leadership that listens to the people the opportunities for the United States are endless. The American instinct has rarely proved wrong in the long run for three centuries and more.
 
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I laffed.

If the U.S. did break up, I bet water wars would erupt in the Southwest.

Seriously, California going to China? China can't even cross the flippin' ocean, let alone exert military control over the Pacific Coast. This 'professor' pulled this statement right out of his drunk Ruskie ass.


 
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I'm willing to risk WW3 rather than see Georgia get bullied by the Russians or us backing down on the international scene.
Thats because you are a madman.

You said you wanted to work for the NSA? You are a threat to national security!
 
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This is a quotation from Karl Marx:

"Owners of capital will stimulate working class to buy more and moreof expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing them to take moreand more expensive credits, until their debt becomes unbearable.
The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of banks which will have to be nationalized and State will have to take the road which willeventually lead to communism."


BTW, Hawaiian. If HV gets even a little tiny bit of political power in this country, I believe that he would get rid of people like you to make life easier.
 
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Both you and HV are madmen. HV advocates nuclear war and you advocate genocide and the extermination of hundreds of millions of people.

You are a disgrace to Jews everywhere. No longer can you pull the holocaust card because thats exactly what you advocate.
 
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Well it seems like me and HV know a lot about this shit. You on the other hand do not, and when things do start to unravel you will crawl into a ditch and hope to survive in the most puny pathetic way.
 
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