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Old 12-15-2008
 
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Default Does all Protoss tech have to be "psi-based?"

I've noticed Blizzard uses more psi-based explanations for protons unit lore in SC2 than SC1 (look at the weapon names for different protoss units for an example of this. Do you guys think that takes away from the idea of the Protoss being "high tech?" Or would you rather have them rely on psi instead of technobabble like "photon" cannons and "neutron" flares?
 
 

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From the start, the majority of their technology is based on Cybernetics and Psionics. Psi-based explanations are just a way to allow us to understand the nature of Psionics better (that or if you're thinking realistically, excuses to make their story look good).


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Itīs a important facet that the Protoss "Stole" all their high-tech from their creators, thats for example the reasons why the Protoss donīt have nukes - they never invented them and donīt understand the principle.

It also explains how even the "improved" shield of the Imortals is weak to EMP (if that makes a return)

The Protoss pretty much "skipped" the clivilization development "step" the Terrans are on which is a factor why they can combine spirituality and High Tech so much.

Terrans on the other hand are much more pragmatic, not only because the Civilization in the sector is based on crashed convict transports.
 
 

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Well that would be the implication, which I didn't like. But you're right that that's a good lore explanation for why the protoss lack nukes and uh...radar. Maybe I'll just have to live with protoss that don't know how to innovate.

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Itīs a important facet that the Protoss "Stole" all their high-tech from their creators, thats for example the reasons why the Protoss donīt have nukes - they never invented them and donīt understand the principle.

It also explains how even the "improved" shield of the Imortals is weak to EMP (if that makes a return)

The Protoss pretty much "skipped" the clivilization development "step" the Terrans are on which is a factor why they can combine spirituality and High Tech so much.

Terrans on the other hand are much more pragmatic, not only because the Civilization in the sector is based on crashed convict transports.
Um... I'm sure this is because the gameplay is much more fun and the lore was based off that.
 
 

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Um... I'm sure this is because the gameplay is much more fun and the lore was based off that.
Either way, it still works. I just don't like things that don't make sense.
 
 

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The Protoss can warp the fabric of space-time itself! Do you seriously think that they don't know how to make a nuke?
Both the Scout and the Dragoon used anti-matter in his weapons. Anti-matter is much more destructive than a fusion reaction.
But the game would have no fun if everybody used mass destruction weapons to destroy whole planes (like at least the Protoss and the Terran could).

And the Protoss don't just stole their tech from their creators, they had a thirst for knowledge, much like us.
 

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Itīs a important facet that the Protoss "Stole" all their high-tech from their creators, thats for example the reasons why the Protoss donīt have nukes - they never invented them and donīt understand the principle.
That's ridiculous. The Protoss have more than a basic knowledge of sub-atomic particle weapons. The reason they don't use nukes or other terran technology is because their technology is "environmentally friendly". It says in the manual that the Protoss were appalled at the Terrans' reckless expansionism & how quickly they depleted natural resources. No Protoss technology creates smoke, draws unnecessary natural resources etc. Protoss tech simply draws energy from the rest of the universe. The Terrans just horde up a bunch of armor/metal on all their units and that's why they can be successful against the Protoss.


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and uh...radar.
The Protoss have battlefield detection technology. It was explained in Shadow Hunters that the Protoss don't have radar because there was no need for the technology. On Aiur they could sense other Protoss telepathically, so radar would basically be worthless.

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Maybe I'll just have to live with protoss that don't know how to innovate.
So did they steal all these new StarCraft 2 units from the Xel'Naga as well? :P
 
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Well Metzen and his buddy writing the lore came up with it and its as it is.
 
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So did they steal all these new StarCraft 2 units from the Xel'Naga as well? :P
No, they are "ancient war machines" recovered from old protoss settlements :-p

There's been a definite rise in "oh it comes from the VOID OMGD!" type technology, though. If you ask me, it gets more than a little cheesy, like the Stalker being imbued with the "shadow-essence" of a dark templar. Wtf is that?
 
 

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Wtf is that?
Something different from Auir Protoss. The Dark Templar have been living a separate life for a millennia. They're going to master different things, use different abilities and so forth, from the regular Protoss.

And the only instances of "it comes from the Void" I know of are the Stalker and the Void Prism.
 

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No, they are "ancient war machines" recovered from old protoss settlements :-p
Not all of them i.e. phoenix, nullifier, warp prism, immortal & void ray. Some of them might indeed end up being "ancient", but the immortal is definitely new, even the narrator for the first gameplay video (forget who he is) said "since the fall of Aiur they have constructed these....these are the immortals".

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There's been a definite rise in "oh it comes from the VOID OMGD!" type technology, though. If you ask me, it gets more than a little cheesy, like the Stalker being imbued with the "shadow-essence" of a dark templar. Wtf is that?
It's essentially their "spirit" or something analogous to such. Immortals/dragoons have an actual body housed inside them.
 
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Only two units "come from the void", Motherships and Colossi, the rest are either hangovers from the Auirian era (Probes, Zealots, Immortals in a way, two types of Templars, Archons, Observers, Carriers), or newly constructed (Stalker, Nullifier, Warp Prism, Phoenix, Void Ray).
 
 

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Psi is just the power source. The actual tech is tech, powered by psi because the Protoss have so much of that and it's a renewable resource.
 

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I do miss the missle attack of the scout, but if its really a matter of lore, psi based weapons should be more effective than most other weapons. Its what makes the Protoss differ from the other 2 races.
 
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