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Old 02-13-2009
 
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Yeah exactly I'd love to take someone who has been all over the forums just trashing the legalization or the use of weed (GA for example) and pit them against an avid pot smoker but flip the coin on em. And see what resulted.
 
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I challenge GA. I think it'd be a good debate.
 
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I'm just saying that whoever is "voted" as the winner often is not the winner. Like Ron Paul for instance, who lost the primaries but won pretty much every debate.
That's a real problem in a political republic, where the winner is given the right to govern. But when it is just a poll expressing opinion, what harm does it do?
 
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However, one of my biggest initial concerns for this was rules. Formal debates typically have "in-house" rules that can vary wildly from informal speak-easy type speech to moderated interruptions where someone making any claims that are false will be moderated and penalized. What would be our rulings? Simply whoever is the most convincing? This gave me a lot of problems, because without clear well-thought out rules, it will open a giant drama every time something is actioned.
We sort of talked about this, and Kaizen mentioned that if someone's post get too personal, then we just close the thread and declare the other person the "winner" (for what that's worth). The idea is to keep the debaters on-topic rather then off ranting on some personal thing with no real connection to the topic (your argument is thus <insert crazy sounding over-simplification of other's argument> and from that we conclude you're a crazy-person).

I've been wracking my brain trying to think of how best to setup a subset of rules for the debates -- something like should we have a number of rounds? Or a time frame? How long should they go on?

Generally, however, I'm going to give most people the benefit of the doubt here and assume that they can post maturely in such a serious debate. However I do think I'll be releasing posts in the debate threads from the specific SD rules/punishments (That is, if a post personally attacks another, editing it would be better then deleting it/infracting it). The idea, I suppose, being that people will be in the spot light -- hopefully negating their need to act like an idgit.

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Additionally, I had a few problems determining what penalties and varying degrees. If you make a remark that someone's position is foolish, would that be cause to close the debate? If they said someone's position is ridiculous? Are there to be post length limits? Acceptable digression? Formats? Time limits?
Sort of mentioned this above, I'll be looking to Kaizen for help on determining this. I don't want the one-on-ones to be as "strictly" handeled as SD in general... Again, hoping that people can keep themselves reigned in, y'know?

Generally speaking though if someone breaks the rules in getting too personal or whatever, the result is they'll be forfeiting their right to debate, and will be conceding the discussion to their opponent.

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Perhaps I am overthinking this, but these are questions that I had when I was considering putting something like this together. We could certainly "play it by ear", but that seemed prohibitively open to complaining. I'm willing to go with it.
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It's also worth noting that for each debate, there should be an "official" thread for the debate and a "discussion" thread. It'd be cool if we advertised in the other forums a little, too. Get some new people in on it, get the audience (and future participants) involved. That was outreach type stuff that's maybe best saved for later, but again, stuff I was thinking about with the concept of formal debates. I like the idea, I'm game. I'm not sure that the topic is the greatest, but I guess you gotta be fairly broad.
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I like the idea but I think the voting part may become a bit silly. The concept of voting is rather arbitrary, whether we are talking about electing the leader of the free world (US president) or whether pepsi or coke is better. Most people are uninformed on the issues and can't be bothered to learn more about them, even when the information is freely available and right in front of their faces.
For the record the voting is just another facet. The idea, I feel, would be to make the debaters try to persuade the spectators, rather then outright arguing with their opponent. Plus I'm not sure if we'll go pure voting with a poll-thread and everything, but more of a "what did you think of the debate, and who did you think did the best?" sort of thing.

Oh, and I'm going to see about getting a new sub-forum for SD to keep things organized.
 
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Old 02-14-2009
 
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I would just like to say that I think this is an brilliant idea! Both for improving the quality of serious discussions and helping bring more good posters to SD.
 
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I dont think that's a good idea. Making a subforum would separate this whole idea from SD and wouldn't do very much for SD itself. Keeping it integrated would work wonders for the quality of SD.
 
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I dont think that's a good idea. Making a subforum would separate this whole idea from SD and wouldn't do very much for SD itself. Keeping it integrated would work wonders for the quality of SD.
I'm anal, heh.

The idea was more associated with doing something special with the debaters. For instance giving them access to the subforum while debating, but restricting access to the spectators (ie: spectators can read, but can't post).

Something like that you know? But holding off is a good idea for now. I suppose I can trust people to stay out of the formal debate thread.
 
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You know, I would like to challenge Hawaiian to a debate on economics in general, maybe even the American economy if he wants to get specific. But not for at least a week or so. Really busy.

So, make it official in like a week or so. I will make it official. I am very tired.
 
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