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Old 01-20-2009
 
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Racism?

It is a mechanism to instantly recognize threats on familiarity vs stranger basis. Put more broadly the blanket fear and distrust of outsiders is also a method tight knit kin groups use to maintain their integrity and culture against unwanted change.

In the past (say, 4,000 years ago) people who looked different from yourself or spoke a different language quite possibly were a threat. They could be foreign invaders, raiders, slavers or simply another tribe not genetically close to your own that is competing over limited resources. From a biological perspective racism gives groups an instant alarm bell in order to ensure their own genetic survival, though as civilizations developed it became more mutually advantageous to work with ones neighbors than fight them.

Racism is a biological mechanism inbuilt in every human, albeit to a wildly varying extent, that is designed to identify possible threats through difference as it is expressed genetically.
 

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"Yes, way off topic and irrelevent to what we're talking about. Please referain from posting in this thread in the future"
Actually if I remember correctly you brought religion into the thread I merely stated the difference between two religions, Islam which you constantly refer to in almost every thread and another religion you mentioned in this thread Christianity. Islam and Christianity along with Judaism are not races they are religious beliefs. The topic was derailed when you mentioned Muslims in your first post and then starting asking what evil religions were. I was off topic in regards to the thread title though I was responding to the derailing of the thread due to you. It's called a discussion maybe you should look up the definition.
Oh I'm sorry your new to this so I'll try to break it down so that you can understand. We are talking about relevent differences here. You brought up an irrelevent difference (Islam does not believe Christ is savior). Completely irrelevent to what we are talking about.

But I don't expect you to understand that. Hey I thought you got married anyways, why are you still here?

Anyways, we are talking about peoples inherent racism and anti-Muslim attitudes. You could scapegoat all you want to saying Islam is a religion and not a race, but the same thing could be said about Judaism. Is it ok to hate Jews? If we're going on a technicality here then Hitler was not a racist. So I'm sorry you are unable to grasp these concepts Megan, which is why you should just refrain from posting here because you obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about.
 
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But I don't expect you to understand that. Hey I thought you got married anyways, why are you still here?
Jeez, the way you talk to women. I can clearly see what you think of them and how you are a sexist fuck. You talk to your lovely wife like that also?
 
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Racism, in its purest form, is that of influenza. It spreads, and spreads, and spreads.

Doesn't matter how it spreads. Through scary midnight stories told by your inbred father who is also your brother, or the local Fox news channel. It spreads.
 
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Oh I'm sorry your new to this so I'll try to break it down so that you can understand. We are talking about relevent differences here. You brought up an irrelevent difference (Islam does not believe Christ is savior). Completely irrelevent to what we are talking about.

But I don't expect you to understand that. Hey I thought you got married anyways, why are you still here?

Anyways, we are talking about peoples inherent racism and anti-Muslim attitudes. You could scapegoat all you want to saying Islam is a religion and not a race, but the same thing could be said about Judaism. Is it ok to hate Jews? If we're going on a technicality here then Hitler was not a racist. So I'm sorry you are unable to grasp these concepts Megan, which is why you should just refrain from posting here because you obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Hitler didn't only kill Jews. He killed Communists, liberals, homosexuals, gypsies and many other groups, including millions of victims of warfare. I call that mentally disturbed. He hated almost everyone including himself that's probably why he killed himself. Also I never said it was okay to hate Jews but it didn't stop him or anyone else for that matter. You can't control people's beliefs, thoughts or ideas so why don't you stop trying. When you bring religion into the discussion I will post whatever I feel is relevent to the conversation so back off. Realize that your idea of relevent is not everyone else's idea of relevent. Just like I don't feel the fact that I am married is relevent to the discussion. Oh why do you still post here, (didn't you get married?) I could say how do you have time to post on Blizzforums shouldn't you be on your wife's tit but that wouldn't be relevent to the discussion my bad.
 

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Jeez, the way you talk to women. I can clearly see what you think of them and how you are a sexist fuck. You talk to your lovely wife like that also?
Oh lawd is that some internet white knight?
 
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Racism, in its purest form, is that of influenza. It spreads, and spreads, and spreads.

Doesn't matter how it spreads.
Thanks for that brilliant analysis. It's really added so much to the discussion.

Can people please try and stick to the topic?

We can bash Hawaiians' arch liberal ignorance elsewhere.
 
 

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First and foremost. Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and other religions= NOT A RACE. That would be a theist, technically.
Actually, Jews are a genetic race as well.

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Secondly. Racism, in general terms, is an extreme stereotype of a people of a certain skin color. Black people like watermelons. White people all own Confederate flags. Asians are good at StarCraft. I may be the worst person at being a racist because those were all horrible examples.
Not necessarily. What about the English's persecution and hatred of my own potato scarfing ancestors? Racial prejudices between Chinese and Japanese?
 

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Hitler didn't only kill Jews. He killed Communists, liberals, homosexuals, gypsies and many other groups, including millions of victims of warfare. I call that mentally disturbed. He hated almost everyone including himself that's probably why he killed himself. Also I never said it was okay to hate Jews but it didn't stop him or anyone else for that matter. You can't control people's beliefs, thoughts or ideas so why don't you stop trying. When you bring religion into the discussion I will post whatever I feel is relevent to the conversation so back off. Realize that your idea of relevent is not everyone else's idea of relevent. Just like I don't feel the fact that I am married is relevent to the discussion. Oh why do you still post here, (didn't you get married?) I could say how do you have time to post on Blizzforums shouldn't you be on your wife's tit but that wouldn't be relevent to the discussion my bad.
1. Hitler killed himself because his bunker was surrounded by the Soviets, not because he hated himself.
2. What you "feel" is irrelevent, I'm sorry but thats the cold hard truth. We were talking about relevent differences and you brought up an irrelevent difference that everyone is aware of. "MUSLIMS DO NOT BELIEVE IN JEEEEEBUS!" No shit sherlock!
3. I've been posting here since I was a child, back when you were "raping" me. Let's face it, the only reason you even post here is because I do. But I don't expect you to admit the obvious, everyone knows it already.
 
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Actually, Jews are a genetic race as well.
Boy, that's weird.

How does that work, exactly? When they dip you in the mikveh and say the prayers, does that do some kind of wacko genetic alteration?
 
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There are certain genetic qualifiers and traits. Not everyone who is a practitioner of Judaism is genetically Jewish.

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It is a mechanism to instantly recognize threats on familiarity vs stranger basis. Put more broadly the blanket fear and distrust of outsiders is also a method tight knit kin groups use to maintain their integrity and culture against unwanted change.
That sounds more like xenophobia than racism.
 
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There are certain genetic qualifiers and traits. Not everyone who is a practitioner of Judaism is genetically Jewish.
The question would be, which traits and what percentage of those traits are required to be a "true" Jew? Regardless, the need for disambiguation points to the amphiboly of the word, and why you should avoid it in the future. The fact that someone can be of Jewish origin, Jewish faith, while not being of Jewish likeness lends itself to an extremely poor credibility of a "racism" discussion.

My point, less sophistic, is that you keep pointing to some grandiose "logic" behind idiocy and racism, when in fact if you put a group of two different races that have never seen one another in room with two rows of chairs facing one another, they will segregate themselves. It's called "implicit prejudice", and is perfectly normal. Assigning negative characteristics to various different races that you have encountered before is in fact a process that is not equal to the normal racism with which each person seems innately born.

I believe this is closer to the OP's question, not necessarily that "why do races possess negative viewpoints of one another", but rather "why do we differentiate ourselves from those that are different". Which, I answered. We understand, at the most basic level, that those that are like us will think like us and act like us. Thereby, alien characteristics such as appearance and behavior provoke a xenophobic response (as you observed), for fear of manuevering in culture wars. You appear to have a very narrow idea of what racism is.
 
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Random academia, hairsplitting, and semantic nonsense fail to prove I have a narrow view of racism.
 
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You should look up thought killers and how they apply to debate. They don't, and you appear to be nursing a sore asshole.
 
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You threw a bunch of unnecessary rhetoric, some simple sociological concepts, and a lode of nonsense into a poorly constructed post. You are attempting to cram more bodies under the umbrella of racism that don't belong there, for reasons I can't fathom.
 
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