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Old 12-30-2008
 
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Allow open borders and free immigration -- end welfare and subsidies to non-productive immigrants.

I think the current immigration "crisis" is more or less based on racism, specifically against Mexicans. We had similar waves of immigration with the Irish and it did not destroy America.
 
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This is what I have posted in every immigration thread... To an extent. I dont know about completely open borders, but for all of the illegals here, the best and only thing to do is grant the visas and tax them. If they become part of the welfare state, deport them. They will be allowed to collect unemployment though, but for a reduced amount of time. Currently workers can collect for up to a year. I say 3-6 months would be more than enough for them.
 
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Here's an idea..open the southern border completely, send home all the border patrol people. Then allow castle doctrine on all the border lands, so that the landowners can put up their own forts and weapons to defend the border
 
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As nice as that would be >_< living in California illegal immigration has come to the point that it has reached ridiculous proportions. But getting rid of welfare would not be entirely fair to those who actually need it, but I suggest lowering the time you can be on welfare down to 6 months...more than enough time for a person to find a job (though this will probably never happen)

I don't really know if it is so much racism, because here we are incredibly open to other cultures (majority of the youth in Southern California do know Spanish), but it is extremely frustrating to know that our taxes on basically everything keep getting raised due quite largely to the massive influx of immigration.

Frankly I doubt anything will be resolved on this matter for years
 
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I don't think it's frustration over them being Hispanic, but more so over them speaking Spanish and not English. Here in America we accept other cultures, but God damn everyone needs to learn English. We can't label signs in 30 languages.
 
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Totally agreed, I know my parents don't know Spanish...and it does make them angry when people do speak in it because they just can't understand.

I know sometimes while I'm at work I will make a person speak to me in English, because frankly I don't always understand what they say 100% and I think its rude, because they EXPECT me to understand
 
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I don't think it's frustration over them being Hispanic, but more so over them speaking Spanish and not English. Here in America we accept other cultures, but God damn everyone needs to learn English. We can't label signs in 30 languages.
Why should they learn English? English is not our official language, why not learn Spanish?

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Totally agreed, I know my parents don't know Spanish...and it does make them angry when people do speak in it because they just can't understand.

I know sometimes while I'm at work I will make a person speak to me in English, because frankly I don't always understand what they say 100% and I think its rude, because they EXPECT me to understand
That can be annoying also, when they EXPECT you to speak Spanish and get angry when you don't. However, remember that you too EXPECT them to speak English, and many people get angry over that.

Your reactions are the same. I realize that you are probably more tolerant than most people here and in America in general. Most people are closet racists imho. If you went on vacation in Mexico it's unlikely you would EXPECT yourself to learn spanish before you went. Maybe a few words but not the language. My parents own timeshares in Cancun but they don't speak one word of Spanish and they go all the time. They EXPECT everyone else to speak English.
 
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Yeah I only expect them to speak English at work since only me and one other person can understand it. But I do entirely understand what you are saying, and its the reason why I'm multilingual.

But also something that influenced me into trying to get them to speak english while I was a swim teacher at a local pool about 6 years ago is because I had a very bad experience from a very large man screaming and I mean screaming at me in Spanish because I simply didn't know the language we ended up calling the cops...I was in charge and he didn't like that. I learned more cuss words that day then ever before, simply because I didn't understand...which I think is wrong
 
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Hablo espanol. Also they should learn English as it is the lingua franca of the US. Every other wave of immigrants learned it. Why do you believe this group doesn't have to and that they deserve signs in their language while others don't? Also don't suggest we do as you know damn well we can't have signs in 30 languages.



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That can be annoying also, when they EXPECT you to speak Spanish and get angry when you don't. However, remember that you too EXPECT them to speak English, and many people get angry over that.

Your reactions are the same. I realize that you are probably more tolerant than most people here and in America in general. Most people are closet racists imho. If you went on vacation in Mexico it's unlikely you would EXPECT yourself to learn spanish before you went. Maybe a few words but not the language. My parents own timeshares in Cancun but they don't speak one word of Spanish and they go all the time. They EXPECT everyone else to speak English.
The difference is is that they are trying to live in an English-speaking country so others would expect them to know English.
 
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yeah I totally agree with it, America is supposed to be a melting pot, but our language is english...if you for example more to a foreign country will you seriously not take any effort to learn the language of where you now live and expect people to take on your own language...just kinda how I see it since I went through the same thing
 
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You've already started to solve your immigration problem, by collapsing the US economy and thus making your money worth less and creating less jobs for immigrants to take. So pat yourselves on the back.
 
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tell me about it...I wouldn't be in the US now if I had a choice
 
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Don't come to Canada. We don't take kindly to your type round here. We don't need you leaving your shithole country to take our jobs from us for less pay.

OH THE IRONY.
 
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Don't come to Canada. We don't take kindly to your type round here. We don't need you leaving your shithole country to take our jobs from us for less pay.

OH THE IRONY.
What jobs? The only thing you can do in Canada is chop down trees and you need to import real men to do that for you.

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Honey you don't need to be, I am pretty sure that I can sell you for a fair price to some african warlord.


Did this thread just derail? Oh well too bad, I bet DE will create another thread soon enough, once he is done beating his wife.
 
 

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