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Old 01-27-2009
 
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The title, it's a bit misleading, but that seems to be the implication from this article:

http://www.wnem.com/news/18566890/detail.html

So the man had several chances to pay his bill or vacate for a shelter, friends home, etc. But he chose to remain in a house in freezing temperatures. Why? Is the power company expected to donate power to vets now?

This man suffered because he was either senile or an idiot. neither reason is cause to blame the power company. If he was senile, then he was ready to go anyway. It's sad that it was painful, but at what point do you say to yourself...."hey, it's cold, maybe I should get some blankets."

I love how we play victim to big bad corporate America and the public just eats it up. This is why our country is slipping towards socialism.
 
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I love local news.

Of course, in that area of the state they are always eager to put forth any story that doesn't involve robbery, shooting, or a combination of the two.
 
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What's funny is that the news doesn't care till someone's dead and they act like corporations are the bad guy.
 
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Yes, because turning off anyone's power in Michigan in January is completely moral.
 
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I find it so hard to care.

But as I recall cutting the power off to someone's home is illegal in certain scenarios. Of course that probably changes from state to state. I just would have thought Michigan being so far north would have such a law.

Though seriously who the fuck heats their homes with electricity around here?
 
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Yes, because turning off anyone's power in Michigan in January is completely moral.
Is this like the thing where you think people should be abducted from their home countries and thrown in a US jail and subjected to US laws that don't cover abduction of foreign nationals for purposes of war trials? Because I'm having a lot of trouble discerning how the power company is going to make a profit when everybody can stop paying their bills when it's cold or risk being demonized by idiots who think that businesses first goal is subjective morality as dictated by posteriori.
 
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Propane!

And a woodstove.

Though, closer to the more urban areas electricity is predominant.
 
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Because I'm having a lot of trouble discerning how the power company is going to make a profit when everybody can stop paying their bills when it's cold or risk being demonized by idiots.
So everybody is an unethical douchebag? Here I always thought capitalism was based on the idea that people are fundamentally good.
 
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Is this like the thing where you think people should be abducted from their home countries and thrown in a US jail and subjected to US laws that don't cover abduction of foreign nationals for purposes of war trials?
What the fuck are you talking about?

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Because I'm having a lot of trouble discerning how the power company is going to make a profit when everybody can stop paying their bills when it's cold or risk being demonized by idiots who think that businesses first goal is subjective morality as dictated by posteriori.
I know Minnesota has laws preventing power companies from turning off customer's powers in the winter. I have a feeling Michigan will be getting some laws about that too.
 
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Yes, because turning off anyone's power in Michigan in January is completely moral.
It's completely moral. He failed to pay for a service.

I have never seen "Compassion" on a P&L statement.

Any law (Minnesota included) that preculdes a "for profit" company from discontinuing services on a non-paying customer are quite simply communist. If the government (the people) desire to pay for such measures, than they can make the check payable to the power company.

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So everybody is an unethical douchebag? Here I always thought capitalism was based on the idea that people are fundamentally good.
Being good does not mean that services become free. It means that the "friend" that saw the power bill on the counter should have offered to let him stay while he gathered the money necessary to pay the power company. If anything, I find the friend to be the most guilty of all. He knew that this man was in dire straits, yet he did nothing.
 

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It's completely moral.
No it's not, but that's not the fucking point. Your trying to argue that the power company has no obligation to continue service to anyone who hasn't paid. In this case you would be right.
 
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Any law (Minnesota included) that preculdes a "for profit" company from discontinuing services on a non-paying customer are quite simply communist.
That isn't communism, that's being a decent human being that doesn't allow other people to freeze to death.

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Your trying to argue that the power company has no obligation to continue service to anyone who hasn't paid. In this case you would be right.
Well, that would be the case if it wasn't winter in Michigan. If all other variables had been the same, but in July, I would have no qualms about them shutting off the power.

The article Nuts posted also says that they found a large amount of cash on the guy's kitchen table (they don't list the amount). Looks like he was going to pay off at least some of his debt, but froze before he could. Sad.
 

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Before the company is given the responsibility, what about the man's family? Friends? Neighbors?

My childhood was spent in rural Michigan, and we'd always check on our neighbors (who lived up to 2 miles away) when the winter got bad.

However, I wonder if the shutoff was automatic or done by a human at a desk. I find it hard to believe someone in Michigan would turn the heat off on anyone else in the state without a bit more investigation into the situation.
 
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That isn't communism, that's being a decent human being that doesn't allow other people to freeze to death.
If I am providing a service for a fee and that fee is witheld, I am not morally required to continue providing that service under any circumstance. The customer has a moral obligation to find a way to do without my services.

If my power company were supplying power to a ventlator, that would be a moral dilemma. But even so, multiple warnings should be adequate.

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The article Nuts posted also says that they found a large amount of cash on the guy's kitchen table (they don't list the amount). Looks like he was going to pay off at least some of his debt, but froze before he could. Sad.
The money was mentioned by a friend that saw it there. He claimed he was intending to pay the bill. If he knew this, why did he not offer to help?
 

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