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Old 09-16-2008
 
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This topic is stemmed from the crumminess of my life lately. Yet the point i have does not only apply in this situation. It is just how I got thinking about it.

Anyway my girlfriend cheated on me with a friend of mine. no need for details. but i really loved her and did a lot for her. and this hurt me greatly, i trusted them to hang out a tiny bit and not do anything. And I get this crap.

So I was talking to my friend, and asked him, "Would it be assault if I punched him in the face?" and he of course replied that yes it would be. and went on to say i shouldn't do anything.

Now i wasn't really planning on doing this, it's just how I felt and I said it. But I still wanted to defend the idea that I have the right to hit him if i so choose.

"Couldn't a man in most any older civilization be able to seek some sort of vengeance on a man who took his woman?" I asked him and he agreed, but said it didn't change the fact that today it's assault.

Why can't I get in a fight with someone over a personal issue? A greater question yet. Why do we not have the right to seek out any form of vengeance on those who have hurt our loved ones.

If my sister was raped, and the cops said they couldn't do anything about it, no leads at all; yet I knew who did it I could not let him get away with it. and if i were just to punch this man. I could go to jail, I should have the right to kill him.

I think that society today has become to passive. The government and law enforcement handle the smallest of arguments in our lives. And we aren't even allowed to handle anything ourselves.

America is not the great nation it once used to be. We sit and watch crime and corruption destroy everything, and do nothing about it.

Why have we allowed ourselves to become so passive?
 
 

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I am not reading this shit. The drunk thread is there for a reason.
 
 

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The fact that you posted this on a forum instead of slapping your friend tells us why America is so passive. When you resort to violence it's more about emotion and how you feel, usually you wouldn't put too much thought into it. The more you question yourself and the "ethics" of hitting someone the more you will hesitate then hesitation turns into fear and eventually you will lose your nerve. Either do it or don't.

And I agree I think our government handles too many petty disputes and violence should be allowed sometimes. If two people get in a fight they shouldn't go to jail just go home and DEFINITELY don't bring up criminal charges. Violence is a quick solution to fixing small problems and can often be more effective than talking or criminal procedures.
 
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crime of passion.
 
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Big stretch to go from having some bitch cheat on you to corruption in government.
 
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Anyway my girlfriend cheated on me with a friend of mine.
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I wonder what kind of vile scum post that crawled up from the depths of hell that this putrid post could have once been, before being extinguished by the small force of reason left hidden deep within Pizza's inferior brain.
 
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I wonder what kind of vile scum post that crawled up from the depths of hell that this putrid post could have once been, before being extinguished by the small force of reason left hidden deep within Pizza's inferior brain.
it was actually a post that could possibly have made me look like a total asshole towards women- and a glorious justification of my own past frolics with best friends' girlfriends. something that i know to be completely OK but the rationale behind it is easily misinterpreted so it's not worth it to go there.

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Here's the only advice I can give you.

Hate the bitch, but only shun the bro. You can't blame a guy for taking the chance when a hot chick is willing to put out, but if he is/was your friend, then obviously the guy should of had more respect for you. That said, your chick is the one you need to take your anger out on. I laugh at how often I've seen a guy hitting on a chick in the bar, and her boyfriend pops up and they duke it out, because the bitch didn't mention she had a boyfriend. The woman causes the problem, so make sure shes punished first and more harshly, something I find is rarely done.
 
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Here's the only advice I can give you.

Hate the bitch, but only shun the bro. You can't blame a guy for taking the chance when a hot chick is willing to put out, but if he is/was your friend, then obviously the guy should of had more respect for you. That said, your chick is the one you need to take your anger out on. I laugh at how often I've seen a guy hitting on a chick in the bar, and her boyfriend pops up and they duke it out, because the bitch didn't mention she had a boyfriend. The woman causes the problem, so make sure shes punished first and more harshly, something I find is rarely done.
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Your friend isn't a friend. You trusted him, and he violated that trust, not only that but your girlfriend did also. Now what you do know is entirely up to you, and he may see his wrongs, and continue to be your friend. Oh never mind I am confused since you used friend to most likely describe two different people.

But society has become passive, and not only that but lacks most face to face communication now. It would be assault if you punched your (old) friend in the face, but it was not a friendly action to cheat on you with a girl that you were dating seriously...

You are better off finding out now that they will betray your trust than later when you have invested even more time. There are always more friends out there, it is just sad you (may have) lost two of them.

Your comparison of rape, and this point is false, because where as cheating on your boyfriend is legal, raping someone is not. This is where the branch in the two ideas is. And if you had information that placed them at the crime wouldn't that be a lead? Because generally if the cops have hard evidence that someone was raped, and a lead on the person they generally will arrest said person. No?

I am also sorry to point this out, but why are you placing most of the blame on your friend and not your (old) girlfriend? It takes two people to cheat in a relationship... especially when they are both your friends.

Not only that but you seem to be under the impression that police should not become involved when someone is assaulted. You are confusing your friends violating your trust, and you assaulting them. Police have a right to protect people's life, liberty, and property. You assaulting someone would fall under the category of property. You have a right to be mad at your friend, but not a legal right to hit someone. There are no laws securing your right for your gf to not cheat on you with a friend.

Because yes, having a lynch mob hang a black person was oh so much more civil, and "great of a nation." Now, you may say that lynching blacks has nothing to do with this, but it was a mob deciding what to do. It was people thinking that they could do whatever they want. The "our government" DR is referring to local police that may or may not do a good job in keeping drugs off the street. This is not the federal government...

People in olden days used to be able to kill people because they were their "property." People also killed people to say, get a spouse that was already taken, or to secure their place in government. Just look on the bright side that there are more girls out there, and quit throwing yourself a pity party.

Laws are in place for a reason, and are there because of society. So protecting people from personal assault is a bad thing now? You must remember that you are also protected under the same laws that protect your "friend." I could go on with this issue but you know...

Ironically enough you are typing on an internet forum about being passive... please go out and talk to new girls. It is always fun Unless of course you're going to stay with the girl and forgive her.

So you have two options with each of them.
1)talk to them face to face, and forgive them, and make sure they understand they hurt you
2) talk to them face to face and tell them they are horrible people, and are no longer your friend
 
 

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Ask him if he will fight you. If he agrees than its not assault. But once he gives up or says no more you gotta stop or else anything after this point will be assault.
 
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Because in the United States everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Saying "well I know he rapped her!" isn't proof and therefore the guy's still innocent. Also seeking vengeance over personal issues through violence was kind of outlawed when people noticed it was kinda bad how people died in duels...
 
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