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Old 09-17-2008
 
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And seeing as how in actuality every citizen pays taxes the illusion that public schooling is cheaper is a reality from the perspective of the person paying for schooling. Or would I be wrong in saying that it is cheaper for someone to pay $1000 for school rather than $2000?
I thought were were comparing operational costs? Why would it matter how much a taxpayer has to spend? It appears that you can't win with your original argument, so you've switched gears to "OMG it costs's more for taxpayers so the fact that private schools can educate students cheaper doesn't matter!!!!11111"

Try to stay on topic, mmmk?
 
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I actually provided that first link for the numbers of people, not because of its quality as "specifically looking into 1099 employees." I actually liked that article because it provided facts about the number of people, and the cost that the government was paying them. A specific example often backs up my major viewpoint, but does not expand my argument beyond what I said which you seem to be trying to do.

And you seem to be under the impression that private corporations do not have as much overhead costs, and red tape as the government. Now some specific corporations may not have this, but that doesn't mean others do not, or even if most do that a corporation that contracts out in a war zone has no red tape.

And seeing as how in actuality every citizen pays taxes the illusion that public schooling is cheaper is a reality from the perspective of the person paying for schooling. Or would I be wrong in saying that it is cheaper for someone to pay $1000 for school rather than $2000?

There are two things that are for certain in life: 1. taxes 2. Death
Taxes are already being paid, and if you go to a private school you are not only paying for other kids to go to school, but your own kids. Now barring vouchers this makes sense (seeing as how most of the states do not have a voucher system). Because barring that if you are paying for a private school you are also paying for a public school which in essence adds "operation costs" to your schooling. Funny how one of your arguments basis is used to defeat another isn't it?

I refrained from repeating myself so you did not have to "wade through" my argument.
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I thought were were comparing operational costs? Why would it matter how much a taxpayer has to spend? It appears that you can't win with your original argument, so you've switched gears to "OMG it costs's more for taxpayers so the fact that private schools can educate students cheaper doesn't matter!!!!11111"

Try to stay on topic, mmmk?
No we were comparing costs. The government spending money for a war for the army or spending money on contractors is different than taxpayer dollars going to public school versus the parents shelling out their own cash. So yes, it does cost more for public schooling completely overall, but the parents who pay for schooling would pay less for public schooling (which is why I mentioned vouchers).

The government pays blackwater, which in turn nets blackwater the profit for its operation, as well as their overhead costs, and operational costs.

You on the other hand just said "government has more operational costs" than blackwater, yet is a known fact that Blackwater pays their "contractors (ie soldiers) more than the government does. And yet you say that the government has overhead costs, but fail to prove that Blackwater lacks them also, which I happened to mention.

So me telling you your arguments are wrong is getting off topic?
 
 

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The cost to taxpayers for school is a non-starter. We're comparing operation costs of Blackwater to get a job done. Their budget does not change based on who is paying their bill. The comparison regarding schools was used as an example of how private companies can do more for less money. I used schools as an example, and just as was the case with Blackwater, it doesn't matter who pays the bill, the operation costs are what we were debating until you changed course to "how much does the taxpayer spend?" Blackwater, unlike public schools, is not privately and publicly funded in duplicity for the same job.
 
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Just because blackwater might do it more efficiently than the US military (trust me, I know firsthand how wasteful the military is) doesn't mean they shouldn't be condemned for transporting sailboat fuel for instance.

We do a lot of bullshit in the army too...but it's not intentional.
 
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