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Old 09-29-2008
 
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eleandor i dont know what dota games you're playing, i play dota every day and its just like playing any other team game, some are exciting, some are boring, all that.
Not really. Remove all heroes and all items (and all modes cause frankly, there's no need for -ar in a game with fixed heroes). Because that's what will happen in D3, right? You won't be able to "choose" out of 80 heroes and 100 items, cause you have the character you've chosen at the beginning of the game. We're looking here at the core gameplay of dota, and any AoS for that matter, which is the only thing that'll be useable for D3 pvp.

So, remove all that. What's left? A bunch of creeps running towards you mindlessly and 1 goal: killing a fracking building. Sorry, but that's not exciting gameplay for me. Doing this with the same hero over and over is going to be so boring...
 
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Not really. Remove all heroes and all items (and all modes cause frankly, there's no need for -ar in a game with fixed heroes). Because that's what will happen in D3, right?
I would agree about the "removing the 80 heroes" part, but not the items, D3 is going to be an items galore ( even more than D2 ever was ), so items will be plentiful ... and instead of 80 heroes with limited stats ( you don't have direct control over it ) and only few abilities per hero, you get 5 heroes in D3 with full control over their stats and a ton of abilities for each ===> many possible builds ... mix that with different item types and varied looks due to many new item parts ( shoulder pads and pants ) and it is not much different than DOTA 80 heroes in terms of variety.


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So, remove all that. What's left? A bunch of creeps running towards you mindlessly and 1 goal: killing a fracking building. Sorry, but that's not exciting gameplay for me. Doing this with the same hero over and over is going to be so boring
This is were you missed the point we were discussing here, nobody really wanted a direct copy of DOTA gameplay in D3, all we wanted was goal oriented PvP and team-play ( with a variety of modes and types of gameplay ) instead of the truly mindless goalless PvP gameplay in D2.
 
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I would agree about the "removing the 80 heroes" part, but not the items, D3 is going to be an items galore ( even more than D2 ever was ), so items will be plentiful ... and instead of 80 heroes with limited stats ( you don't have direct control over it ) and only few abilities per hero, you get 5 heroes in D3 with full control over their stats and a ton of abilities for each ===> many possible builds ... mix that with different item types and varied looks due to many new item parts ( shoulder pads and pants ) and it is not much different than DOTA 80 heroes in terms of variety.
No, you have the choice of 1 hero, not 5. You get the hero you've been playing for the whole game. In a second match of dota, you choose another hero. In a second pvp, you don't have any choice. And buying/selling items won't be happening in a pvp either. Ofcourse there will be various items, but you fight with the items you have, you don't gain or lose any.

Sure D3 heroes will be customisable, but in between 2 pvp's, your character will not have changed a lot. Maybe he has gained 1 spell. And eventually, you'll end up using the same abilities, the same strategies and it'll all come down to the *great* core gameplay of an AoS to make 2 different pvp's interesting.


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This is were you missed the point we were discussing here, nobody really wanted a direct copy of DOTA gameplay in D3, all we wanted was goal oriented PvP and team-play ( with a variety of modes and types of gameplay ) instead of the truly mindless goalless PvP gameplay in D2.
Most of the people here literally said "dota pvp", not "teamplay pvp". So if you're discussing a dota-like pvp, I'm saying the gameplay will be just as boring. The discussion was NOT about team-play oriented pvp, because there wasn't really any discussion about that in the first place. The discussion was about the gameplay of an AoS as the backbone of a teamplay oriented pvp.
 

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Most of the people here literally said "dota pvp", not "teamplay pvp". So if you're discussing a dota-like pvp, I'm saying the gameplay will be just as boring. The discussion was NOT about team-play oriented pvp, because there wasn't really any discussion about that in the first place. The discussion was about the gameplay of an AoS as the backbone of a teamplay oriented pvp.

Nope, we clearly said something along the lines of Dota not exactly like it


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They couldn't make something exactly like DotA but something along the same lines with strategic objectives and bonuses for racking up kills could be pretty cool.
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Nice idea, i sure hope they make something like that since they already emphasized that aside from the Co-Op multiplayer they also want to change the way Diablo PvP works and make it more competitive.

So a PvP mode that bets players of similar level against each other with a clear goal is surely going to be addictive as hell XD
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they wanted competitive pvp instead of mindless pvp... this is it... it would hook people like crack
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No, they shouldn't make a carbon copy of DotA in Diablo 3 form. But the basic idea of one team versus another trying to get to the other person's base and take it over, with extra points and bonuses for racking up kills or taking down strategic points - that definitely has potential. It certainly wouldn't have to be something that would take an hour or two.

Of course, they could have longer PvP "scenarios" for those that want to fight for an hour or two, as well.
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not a carbon copy, but dota is pretty dam fun, it would utilize the new d3 tech with the physics and stuff

fat princess esque? that game looks stuper fun they could get ideas from that. or like battle field conquest mode, capturing and defending key points and doubles as a spawn point

all i know is if pvp, is just a 1v1 fight arena then it fuckin sucks and pointless
pretty much all the commenters say that they wanted something like DOTA, something that involves team-play but NOT a copy of DOTA, Even i suggested various modes for the competitive play ranging from arena fights with prizes to guild/team battles and conquest modes.

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Here is an example of what i have in mind :-

There is an arena in towns where fights take place, you can list your name in the fighter list and join a match.

It can be 1vs1 or 2vs2 or 3vs3 or crazy things like 2vs1 or 2vs2vs2, and the arenas could range from cage matches with a tight space or lava arenas where the floor will open after a certain period if neither of the teams win.

Or even like the Gladiator movie where they release lions during the matches, you can have hi-level beasts released in the middle of the fight to attack both sides, imagine something like the living siege weapon in the D3 demo being chained and struggling to go free only to break his chains in the middle of your fight and unleashes chaos on the gladiators.

And of course the victor gets money, rare items, titles and maybe even gets to select a single piece of his current opponents items, it would make for some intense matches, and of course the higher the odds the higher the rewards.


As for team-play ( i don't think 2vs2 could be considered team play really ), there are tons of these modes used in FPS games that can translate smoothly into D3.

All that will give D3 extended longevity and it will never get boring or monotonous nor will it turn into infinite item runs like D2 did since there will be better and more exciting things to do other than killing Baal or Diablo for the 111514515th time.


Even more there could be separate very short but tough scenarios/dungeons that require team work to go through.
 
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Old 10-02-2008
 
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No,having a mode like DotA will just ruin D3.

It's an RPG,not another DotA wanna be.If you guys want DotA so much,better just go back to WC3 or wait for the SC2 version.

Blizzard will come out with something interesting for competitive play.
 
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Why must you format your posts like some sort of office presentation =/

DoTA was ballin' as hell, and it is still enjoyed by most computer game players.
 
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