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Old 12-05-2008
 
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so you're saying that your friend isn't at fault at all for getting a keylogger/trojan/virus at all?

that's just bull right there. 99% of the security problems that exist exist between the chair and the monitor. if your friend wasn't such a WoW addict maybe he could've taken the 30 extra seconds to scan that addon to make sure it was clean, or better yet not run an executable for an addon, which is something you should never do anyway.
 
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I'm pretty sure by now they would have dissected the Curse Client. =/ Most programs tend to be dissected sooner or later by some hackers, coders, programmers or tech-savvy people.
 
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I think it took all of a day or two for people to discover warden and figure out what it did. To be honest GA, with how uneasy you are about the curse client, I am suprised you even play WoW with warden in it. They could be stealing your valuable information!
 

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Well to be fair, they are Blizzard. They could probably add in a clause of "we get total control over your computer and can make copies of your porn collection" and people would still play their stuff
 
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I think it took all of a day or two for people to discover warden and figure out what it did. To be honest GA, with how uneasy you are about the curse client, I am suprised you even play WoW with warden in it. They could be stealing your valuable information!
Haha, man you're funnay! Little do you know, that when you download something with a virus, it doesn't matter if people figure out what it does. Because you just downloaded a virus, slapnuts! You're so smart, you figured out what the Melissa virus is! But -- oops! Your computer has it and you just passed it on unwittingly. Hackers thrive off of dimwits like you, who think that everything they download is A-OK just because it has some brand name on it and you believe someone smarter and more astute will solve your problems for you before they become a problem.

Like I said, well known, well documented, functional addons (DBM) can harbor viruses with each new version update. Every time you download, you're putting yourself at risk. There are plenty of people out there who would benefit from having your account information for simply 6 hours. Even if Blizz restores your account, the gold is gone and they've got it. Your safest bet is to download things that are tried-and-tested, which may mean downloading a slightly older version or simply waiting until it's been worked through and through.
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I'm pretty sure by now they would have dissected the Curse Client. =/ Most programs tend to be dissected sooner or later by some hackers, coders, programmers or tech-savvy people.
It's like you get it, but you don't. It's not too difficult for a hacker to take something apart, put it back together with a virus on it, and then upload it to a server. Especially considering the number of these programs that benefit from volunteer help.

Meh, whatev. It's fine with me if you want to leave your valuables in the car in plain sight with the doors unlocked. I was simply making a point.
 
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It's like you get it, but you don't. It's not too difficult for a hacker to take something apart, put it back together with a virus on it, and then upload it to a server. Especially considering the number of these programs that benefit from volunteer help.

Meh, whatev. It's fine with me if you want to leave your valuables in the car in plain sight with the doors unlocked. I was simply making a point.
If it was on a torrent then it would be understandable, but its downloaded directly from the site. Also a few people do infrequent hacking of programs to see what's in it and if its safe. My sister already used it for about half a year now and I doubt it takes that long for them to jack our shit.
 
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Haha, man you're funnay! Little do you know, that when you download something with a virus, it doesn't matter if people figure out what it does. Because you just downloaded a virus, slapnuts! You're so smart, you figured out what the Melissa virus is! But -- oops! Your computer has it and you just passed it on unwittingly. Hackers thrive off of dimwits like you, who think that everything they download is A-OK just because it has some brand name on it and you believe someone smarter and more astute will solve your problems for you before they become a problem.
Pro-tip: Even if something has a virus, if you know it has a virus then you can tell other people that it is a virus. On top of that, its not like you cant get rid of said virus. If the curse client had a virus in it, I am 99% sure that one of the several hundred thousand people that use it would have found said virus and spread the word. But, what do I know? You are OBVIOUSLY the security expert.

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Like I said, well known, well documented, functional addons (DBM) can harbor viruses with each new version update. Every time you download, you're putting yourself at risk. There are plenty of people out there who would benefit from having your account information for simply 6 hours. Even if Blizz restores your account, the gold is gone and they've got it. Your safest bet is to download things that are tried-and-tested, which may mean downloading a slightly older version or simply waiting until it's been worked through and through.
Files that are uploaded to curse are scanned for any viruses right off the bat. They had an issue with an addon that had a keylogger in it like 2 years ago when they werent huge on security, since said incident there hasnt been a report on one in.... well 2 years. Since the curse client downloads files from the curse ftp servers, it would have to get through their virus scan in order for it to be on the curse client. If it somehow IS on the curse client, its on their site and you would get said keylogger regardless when you go to update the addon.

Most people that get keylogged get it from gold selling sites/account selling sites, or other likely unsecure sites (hacks/bots/private servers etc). Sites like curse are your absolute safest venue if you want to use addons.
 

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Pro-tip: Even if something has a virus, if you know it has a virus then you can tell other people that it is a virus. On top of that, its not like you cant get rid of said virus. If the curse client had a virus in it, I am 99% sure that one of the several hundred thousand people that use it would have found said virus and spread the word. But, what do I know? You are OBVIOUSLY the security expert.


Files that are uploaded to curse are scanned for any viruses right off the bat. They had an issue with an addon that had a keylogger in it like 2 years ago when they werent huge on security, since said incident there hasnt been a report on one in.... well 2 years. Since the curse client downloads files from the curse ftp servers, it would have to get through their virus scan in order for it to be on the curse client. If it somehow IS on the curse client, its on their site and you would get said keylogger regardless when you go to update the addon.

Most people that get keylogged get it from gold selling sites/account selling sites, or other likely unsecure sites (hacks/bots/private servers etc). Sites like curse are your absolute safest venue if you want to use addons.
I really honestly don't know why people even fall into those scam sites... I mean its obvious that they are trying to scam you. If your that desperate for gold then... Well I have no comment.
 
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Pro-tip: Even if something has a virus, if you know it has a virus then you can tell other people that it is a virus. On top of that, its not like you cant get rid of said virus. If the curse client had a virus in it, I am 99% sure that one of the several hundred thousand people that use it would have found said virus and spread the word. But, what do I know? You are OBVIOUSLY the security expert.
You keep flip-flopping between a reference between "something" and "the Curse client". I was referring to the Curse client as a means to refer to security, and I think we have since moved from solely referring to the Curse client as a means of getting a virus. But if you wish to cling to this point solely to continue to inflate the confidence levels of readers, it's worth mentioning that you're not particularly compelling to anyone that isn't a neophyte.

I also note in your long babble you regurgitate my earlier point: if the curse client had a virus in it, one of the several hundred thousand people that use it would find it. And the other several hundred thousand would get the virus if they either downloaded before or around the same time as the person that finds it. You don't actually address this, but rather make it a speedbump along your 90-to-nothing highway to your pathetic attempt at a sarcastic straw man meant to attack my position via my expertise. Of course, you're not an expert and you're arguing a groupthink logical fallacy, but it certainly helps when you're an ignorant sycophant that refuses to see anything used by more than 10,000 people as corruptible.

Everything you download is safe, your automated virus scanner or some stranger on the Internet will save you. Have a nice day.
 
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You keep flip-flopping between a reference between "something" and "the Curse client". I was referring to the Curse client as a means to refer to security, and I think we have since moved from solely referring to the Curse client as a means of getting a virus. But if you wish to cling to this point solely to continue to inflate the confidence levels of readers, it's worth mentioning that you're not particularly compelling to anyone that isn't a neophyte.

I also note in your long babble you regurgitate my earlier point: if the curse client had a virus in it, one of the several hundred thousand people that use it would find it. And the other several hundred thousand would get the virus if they either downloaded before or around the same time as the person that finds it. You don't actually address this, but rather make it a speedbump along your 90-to-nothing highway to your pathetic attempt at a sarcastic straw man meant to attack my position via my expertise. Of course, you're not an expert and you're arguing a groupthink logical fallacy, but it certainly helps when you're an ignorant sycophant that refuses to see anything used by more than 10,000 people as corruptible.

Everything you download is safe, your automated virus scanner or some stranger on the Internet will save you. Have a nice day.
Way to miss the point completely. If somebody were to want to put a virus into a popular addon, several hundred thousand people would get said virus with or without the client. The only 100% safe way to avoid it would be to play with zero addons and to shut yourself off from the entire internet.

I have also never heard of this DBM virus you speak of that your friend got infected with, which I find rather strange since I have been raiding for my entire time playing WoW, and nobody I have ever played with got hit with a virus from DBM (which would be a rather huge virus given its popularity).

Finally, I am seriously calling bullshit on your "security" knowledge and the fact that you have a friend that works security in the pentagon. If you did know a lot of security, you would have a good protective setup and wouldnt open anything dumb and wouldnt get infected in the first place. From what I have seen in this thread I feel that even I know more about security on the internet than you.

EDIT: Also, that "something" was not a flip-flop. It was from a generalization for anything to demonstrate how a social network such as the internet would work. I later switch to curse client to focus on the addon aspect of the situation. If you had a good grasp of reading comprehension you wouldnt have felt the need for that little jab as you wouldve seen it to be quite dumb.
 

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Finally, I am seriously calling bullshit on your "security" knowledge and the fact that you have a friend that works security in the pentagon. If you did know a lot of security, you would have a good protective setup and wouldnt open anything dumb and wouldnt get infected in the first place. From what I have seen in this thread I feel that even I know more about security on the internet than you.
I tend to agree with most of this paragraph. You're using groupthink and anecdotal evidence to "prove" you're safe and you know nothing about me, my background in computer security, or my connections, you simply think you do. You've already proven via your handful of logical fallacies that thinking isn't your strong point, merely bloating your self image. At last we can come to agreement.

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Logical fallacy argument has no place in this considering it isnt a live debate. This is an internet forum. It would make sense if this was RL where we could actually prove anything we say on a personal level, but it isnt therefore its just a dumb fallback for people that are losing ground. It has its place in SD debates since everything there is generally substantiated off of many years of arguments/history.

Your case has a single instance of addons having an infection, prior to addon sites stepping up security. Once in 4 years isnt exactly something sturdy.
 

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It strikes me that if your friend who works security at the pentagon fell for this type of an attack, then America really is screwed. This is the sort of shit I learned back when I was like 14 among the "top ten most stupid things you could possibly do". If something doesn't need to be installed (such as a starcraft map, or whatever) then downloading an executable and running it, is something that one should never do.

Then again neither of the packages were DBM. I admit I googled the topic as well and didn't find anything concrete except some people speculating about it having a keylogger maybe. I would imagine that if DBM had been targeted there would've been some kind of a stink about it somewhere.
 

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Whoa whoa whoa there skippy. I never said my friend from the pentagon did any of that shit. You are reading a story that you are making up in your head. I have more than one friend, and the friend that got the virus was not the same as the other. I seriously doubt the computer security guy would have the time for WoW, much less a long enough break in paranoia to start downloading addons and installing them to a live program that exchanges information back-and-forth to his computer without monitoring. As for the DBM bit, I may have switched names or simply not looked hard enough. Regardless, the particular name of the addon seems a little non-sequitur given the basis of the entire disagreement.
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Logic is in place during any point at which an argument is made. It's an unseparable facet of reasoning; you build a conclusion by making premises. Just because you don't understand logical fallacies doesn't mean that it's somehow invalid or a fake means of proving that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. The reason you hear these terms used mostly in debates is because those are particular situations in which efficiently proving your opponent is using a corrupt means of forming a reasonable opposition to your own point is crucial. Of course, you'll want to retreat from this reality as fast as possible, because you really have no response (nor understanding) for the problems with your impromptu rickety support propping up your crumbling case.

And it's really cool how you make absolutist statements like "that would never happen, there are hundreds of thousands of users and someone would catch it", then go on to say "oh that was just one instance". I prove another and you say "that's just two". I prove another and you say "that's just three". etc. Obviously your statement was false and the basis it was built on is falsified. Your only real defense now is to minimize it with such statements and pray that nobody notices that you were proven a complete blustering buffoon. This is a rather drastic step away from your pompous remarks about your infalliable system of peer review and your vast computer security expertise based on your amateur assessment of the thread.

I'm fairly satisfied with having exposed you as an incompetent fraud with an inferiority complex, but you can feel free to keep going and give me more ammo.
 

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